I’ve been playing with Virgil Griffith’s addictive new website that allows you to track Wikipedia edits to individuals and organizations. Here are a few examples of edits made by the Israeli government I found. Have a go at it and feel free to post any nuggets you find in the comments.
In the Wikipedia entry on the “Israeli West Bank barrier” someone from an IP address that is part of the “Israeli Government Network” changes a photo caption reading:
A section of the “Israeli West Bank barrier” between Qalqiliyia and the nearby Israeli highway. This section of the barrier is on the Green-line border between Israel and the Palestinian west bank.
to read instead:
The international court of justice in hague has ruled that the West Bank security fence, which is being built by Israel, is illegal. This is an outrageous, undemocratic, illegal and racist decision. The court has decided that palestinians’ minor conviniences are more important than israeli citizens lives. The world is helping the Arab conspiracy theories. Their target is the complete and total distruction of the state of Israel and the Jewish people.
In this edit by the Israeli embassy in Washington the Wikipedia entry for “Hamas” read:
However, various sources, among them United Press International [29], Le Canard enchaîné and L’Humanité[30] have highlighted that Hamas’ early growth - before its official founding and the creation of the military branch - had been supported by the Mossad as a “counterbalance to the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)”.
Someone in the embassy throws in an “unreliable” so it reads instead:
However, unreliable various sources, among them United Press International [29], Le Canard enchaîné and L’Humanité[30] have highlighted that Hamas’ early growth - before its official founding and the creation of the military branch - had been supported by the Mossad as a “counterbalance to the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)”.
And this edit of the entry for “2006 Israel-Gaza conflict” also by the embassy in DC is changed from:
Tensions had been high for some time due to Qassam rocket attacks, reported to have exceeded 800 rockets in the past seven months, and due to the deaths of numbers of Palestinian civilians in incidents such as the Gaza beach blast. After the Gaza beach blast, Hamas withdrew from its 16-month ceasefire and began openly taking responsibility for Qassam rocket launches.
to read instead:
Tensions had been high for some time due to Qassam rocket attacks, reported to have exceeded 800 rockets in the past seven months,[1] and due to the deaths of numbers of Palestinian civilians in incidents such as the Gaza beach blast. After the Gaza beach blast, Hamas formally withdrew from its 16-month ceasefire, which it regularly violated by firing rockets at Israeli civilian targets and began openly taking responsibility for Qassam attacks.
The Israeli Embassy in Washington also changes the entry for “Administrative detention” from:
Administrative detention is a military term used in Israel to refer to political prisoners.
to:
Administrative detention is a military term used in Israel to refer to security prisoners.
The embassy also alters the background on the “2006 Lebanon War” entry :
On 12 July 2006 Hezbollah initiated Operation Truthful Promise,[1] possibly in response to Israeli artillery shells which hit a beach in Gaza on June 9, 2006, killing seven people and wounding thirty[2]. The operation consisted of a cross-border raid which resulted in the capture of two soldiers and used shelling into Israel as a diversionary tactic.
to instead read:
On 12 July 2006 Hezbollah initiated Operation Truthful Promise,[1] The operation consisted of a cross-border raid which resulted in the capture of two soldiers, the killing of eight and shelling of communities in Israel.
And finally, there is this small, but telling tweak by AIPAC’s Washington DC office to their own entry on Wikipedia entry. The entry reading:
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a special interest group that lobbies the United States Government on behalf of Israeli interests as it sees them.
is edited by someone in AIPAC to instead read:
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a special interest group that lobbies the United States Government on behalf of a strong U.S. - Israel relationship.
I looked for similar such edits on the Palestinian side, but couldn’t find any. I guess this is just one more example of Palestinians trailing Israel in the PR game.
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2 yaacov // Aug 22, 2007 at 8:04 am
Come on Charles, you’re being less than your high-quality self.
If memory serves, the initial report on this new toy told how the Vatican was altering Wikipedia articles. Which might be a wee indication that lots of people, in lots of organizations, are tweaking lots of Wikipedia items. My, what an astonishing thought.
You know more about the Palestinians than I, so here’s a question: is it possible that the shambles that is the Palestinian government (both of them) makes it more likely that the Palestinians are engaging in their tweaking from non-govenmental computers, hence less obviously identifiable? Or - pardon me the thought - that they’re leaving the job to their legions of better equiped appologists the world over?
If you can show that the Israelis are in any way unique in this behavior you’re telling us about, well, not THAT would be an important post. Until then, all you’re demonstrating is that the Isreali officials sitting at their PCs and battling the PR battle are being mighty inept at it, and could benifit from some writing classes. Another astonishing thought, that.
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5 Simon Columbus // Aug 22, 2007 at 2:40 pm
@ yaacov:
You don’t want to tell that a crime, if it’s not unique, isn’t a crime? Okay, here we have no crime, but in my opinion a very problematic case. Why shouldn’t manipulation be bad just because Israeli are not the only one to do so?
6 Fuchsbaunews // Aug 22, 2007 at 3:42 pm
http://wired.reddit.com/wikidgame
7 yaacov // Aug 22, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Simon -
There is no crime involved. As a phenomenon, it’s not even particularly problematic. Charles cites 6 examples. The last four are perfectly legitimate changes, where the previous versions were no better than the changed ones. Number 2 is factually untrue, though not particularly significant. The first example happens to be factually true, but the problem is that the foaming-at-the-mouth style is quite inappropriate, and also counter-productive. So essentially what Charles has shown us is that there are Israeli officials who feel that the way Israel is portrayed in Wikipedia is important enough that they want it to reflect the Israeli perspective. Duh…
If I knew how to insert links into comments here, I’d send you to the page at Wikipedia where they encourage all readers to edit whatever they think needs it. It’s easy to find - 2 clicks from the homepage was all it took me.
The only part of Charles’ post that was in any way significant was when he told that the Palestinians are NOT doing what everybody else is doing, becasue that’s how Wikipedia works but the Palestinians haven’t noticed. And as I pointed out, I remain unconvinced even of this, at least until Charles address it.
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9 Edie // Aug 22, 2007 at 7:51 pm
I don’t find it strange or unexpected that the Israeli gov’t or AIPAC has been making modifications; what’s interesting is HOW and WHAT they’ve changed. Very telling.
10 tsedek // Aug 22, 2007 at 8:43 pm
silly that you fall over that. as if whoever enter the information on those pages is automatically right and the israeli government wrong.
11 Anonymous // Aug 23, 2007 at 12:41 am
The Israeli government is wrong, as wrong as the Apartheid government in South Africa always was.
12 lisoosh // Aug 23, 2007 at 3:57 am
Wiki is a mess. There was a case not long ago where a “religion expert with PhD’s and years in academia” who wrote hundreds of articles turned out to be a college dropout with time on his hands.
It’s not Encyclopedia Britannica.
13 lisoosh // Aug 23, 2007 at 4:35 am
Charles, I am going to have to go with Yaakov here - individuals changing things aren’t the same as officials changing things officially.
I looked up Israeli Government IP’s in the search and came up with 179 edits.
Those included the topics of wastewater, elephants, oil shale, beowulf, sex reassignment therapy and Doris Day. Not exactly the stuff of conspiracy theories.
I also looked up Palestinian Government/Authority and found no IP’s whatsoever - everything goes under Paltel, which has hosted thousands of edits so there is no knowing who posted what.
I don’t think Palestinians trail Israel at all in PR. In fact, Israels PR is absolutely inept, led as it is by the whack jobs at AIPAC and legions of underinformed (though well meaning) freelancers (usually American kids just back from a Mission).
14 PenFall // Aug 23, 2007 at 8:14 pm
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15 Rahel // Aug 23, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I’m not surprised that individuals within the Israeli government made changes to their Wikipedia pages. What does surprise me is that the general reaction seems to be the same as it should if the Israeli government, as a government, were to tamper with actual encyclopedia entries. And more to the point, how does the Palestinian non-editing of entries make them in any way superior to the Israelis? We’re not exactly talking about hard moral choices here.
16 Mimi // Aug 24, 2007 at 4:19 am
People, there is a serious issue with the web and nation-promoted PR that Charles is drawing attention to. Just ask us bloggers at mideastyouth.com about an unknown poster who found the blog, took advantage of the generosity of the admins, and began posting as if they were a young person. Extensive web tracking and detective work proved that the “youth blogger” was a paid part of the system designed to sway public opinion towards Israel and “he” was eventually voted off the site after some very earnest attempts to have conversations with him.
I am sure presidential candidates, lobbying groups, etc use the same mechanism…I’ve just noticed it within the pro-Israeli community in a much more systematic way. There are even special web programs designed to help individuals increase the pro-Israeli voice on the blogosphere. Sophisticated stuff, this “hasbara” or “advocacy.”
17 tsedek // Aug 24, 2007 at 8:08 am
well, mideatyouth is just a tad unreliable in that perspective. it also accuses people that have nothing to do with it with being such. so, that’s not the standard anyone should apply.
again, i like to point out that the israeli government is at least so open about it that they use their own Ip there are far more sophisticated ‘governments’ (ya’ani) that are too sneaky to do just that.
18 shual // Aug 24, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Tsedek, [”i like to point out that the israeli government is at least so open about it that they use their own Ip..”], to do something wrong can not ecxused because you do it open or others do it too.
And there is a difference between MLP [famous german example] or Coca-Cola falsifying reports on “independent” websites cause they have monetary reasons and the State of Israel [and his thousands “illegal workers” of homestreporting aso] falsifying reports about politics.
19 lisoosh // Aug 24, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Sounds like pseudo elitism to me. Using the Vatican as an example (a little less controversial), why SHOULDN”T they edit Wiki articles on the Vatican, or Catholicism for that matter? If I had a Wiki entry, I would like some imput - no?
Young geeks in basements are not the sole repository of knowledge in this world.
20 tsedek // Aug 24, 2007 at 4:22 pm
shual but it is not wrong.
21 shual // Aug 24, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Its “wrong” cause wikipedia is based on the principle of neutrality. [Neutral point of view] And I think the CHANGES Charles showed violate another 25 principles. I showed the link above, cause of the “Al-Jazeera changed”-situation. Wikipedia has to react against such violations. From every intrested side.
“Why SHOULDN”T they edit Wiki articles?” Because the owners do not want this. [Any questions?] Btw: Thie idea of articles about homosexuality “edited” by the Vatican seems a very strange idea for me.
22 lisoosh // Aug 24, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Shual - Wiki is about user input, and anyone can be a user. The main criteria is that they have to use a source to back up assertions. Once Wiki was put out there it was owned by the masses, if the “owners” decide content, it is not a Wiki anymore.
Neutrality can be disputed, but the disputers have to prove it. And anyone can dispute.
The Israel/Palestine sections are notorious for biased entries, from supporters on both sides printing absolutely ridiculous assertions, to the point where they were closed for a long time and are only accessable to long time users.
23 shual // Aug 24, 2007 at 9:38 pm
lisoosh, please read the several hundreds of entries that deal with wikipedias “claims and rules”. “Anyone can be a user” is restricted by dozens of laws that exclude almost all “organized” editors. And after they detected the scandal last year [US-Congress] they are eager to detect all the black sheeps. They even work already with a software that blocks several IP-adress-ranges.
PS: We are not talkin about “if the “owners” decide content”, we are talking about how the owners act against the violation of the rules.
24 tsedek // Aug 25, 2007 at 8:15 am
Shual, get out of the illusion that objectivity exists. It just doesn’t. And the Israeli government workers that decide to support the view Israel government has got over separate issues are not more or less ‘neutral’ than the whole bunch of people editing these pages. So, in short, there’s nothing wrong to edit with your IP open for everyone to see (as in opposite in doing the same under so-called ‘objective individual people’ who are doing exactly the same)
25 tsedek // Aug 25, 2007 at 8:18 am
Shual, you know how easy it is to change IP#s? To make it look like you’re a different individual each time you enter the site? so, those ‘rules’ are only for the very sophisticated… NOT for the Israeli government who is a VERY POOR public relations element.
26 Sabbah’s Blog » Blog Archive » Wikipedia and Israeli lobbyists // Aug 25, 2007 at 8:30 am
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27 tsedek // Aug 25, 2007 at 12:02 pm
sabbah, the blog that erases every single comment that is not sharing the same opinion as him gratefully links to this of course….
wow, just to show how hypocritical people can be…
28 shual [weekend-automat] // Aug 25, 2007 at 3:52 pm
[”sabbah, the blog that erases every single comment that is not sharing the same opinion as him gratefully links to this of course….wow, just to show how hypocritical people can be…”]
I love this country. [CountrIES.]
29 tsedek // Aug 25, 2007 at 7:42 pm
shual
Narzistisch, Größenwahnsinnig, Persönlichkeitsgespalten, aber ansonsten ganz nett
dass sagt ganz alles
30 ella // Aug 25, 2007 at 9:57 pm
The following is an entry added by somebody in Al Jazeera under the subject heading “Israel”
Israel is only created in 1948 after the Jews fled from the hands of Hitler. The Jews did to the indiginous people of Palestine what Hitler had done to them. Jews were the first people to stsrt the terorist attacks in the reagion. they have stolen the land of the Palestinians. Jews believe that they are chosen by God and that they are better than other people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=48702431
UN is not much better. Somebody over there did not like Oriana Falacci and changed the entry from ‘Oriana Fallaci”’ (born [[July 29]] [[1930]]) is an [[Italy|Italian]] [[journalist]] , [[author]] and political interviewer.
to ‘Oriana Fallaci”’ (born [[July 29]] [[1930]]) is an [[Italy|Italian]] [[journalist]] , [[author]], racist whore, and political interviewer.
So the subject of Palestine is only one of many, many subjects changed by governments, various organisations and MSM.
31 shual [weekend-automat] // Aug 25, 2007 at 10:01 pm
“dass sagt [einfach-schlichtweg-restlos-vollkommen] alles”
Do not trust google-translation, wikipedia and the Israeli government.
32 tsedek // Aug 26, 2007 at 5:08 am
I don’t use google with german - I just use Dutch words and convert them into German
33 tsedek // Aug 26, 2007 at 5:10 am
well ella (are you looking conflict blotter?) that just shows then, doesn’t it?
34 Shual [narmal-mode] // Aug 26, 2007 at 10:06 am
I have not tried that, yet. I can read and understand dutch [Antwoorden op veel gestelde vragen - Antworten auf häufig gestellte Fragen]. Very simple. But as you can see in the example, dear Tsedek, you have to watch the adverbs. [veel is “viel”, but a german would not use “Viel”. A Dutch would not use “veel” for häufig, he would use “vaak”]
To 24-25: We are not getting closer, Tsedek. “Wiki-Prawdas illegible junk”-problem can only be solved if PR-agents were kicked out. Look at the “unreliable”-example of Charles: I am no fan of wikipedia, I never use them cause there are enough archives online where you can find whatever you want to find. “Whatever” says: If you want to think about a special topic you need ALL expressions of all sides and you have to be neutral to find a maximum of neutral point of view. Projects like wikipadia [social software theat produces wisdom of the masses] can not replace your personal assignment. On the other hand, “normal people” need simplified information and wikipedia says that not a israeli-PR-machine should simplify topics for the people. The people themselves should do it. I never would use wikipedia. But I know that the most of users need to use it.
You [and many more users] are thinking of something different. You want a site where you can find information that pleases your own view. Affirmative websites. “Unreliable” - I don’t think that people can come out of their insensibility regarding politics by governments that explain them what to think and what is bad to think. You have to see that “social software” wishes to produce communities without things like antisemitism. In the real world there are plenty of them. This dilemma can not successfully solved via governmental edits. People have to face the real world and to find ways out of the dilemma themselves. Nothing is perfect and we are at the start of it. Ten years ago it was impossible for Tsedek and Shual to meet in a room where they can exchange themselves. And that was the first phase of rooms like wikipadia: networking. They have to take the next step. Without PR.
PS: change IP#s. Change it as much you want. I will locate you.
35 tsedek // Aug 26, 2007 at 1:47 pm
But, dear Shual - where do you think those people entering their information into wiki take it from in the first place? They are not objective! Objectivity is an illusion. Besides - I stick to my point that Israel may be doing this openly, more sophisticated public relations machines are at work as well on that site. That’s why I don’t mind.
An edit can be re-edited no? So, what is the problem? Someone with a different look on things can do just that.
My IP# changes automatically, it’s never the same
Not my “fault” but the internet providers. Routers can also divert from tracing IP#s, but I rather don’t go into that since I’m a complete computer illiterate.
I brabble in ‘make-shift’ German as if it’s German, and strangely enough Germans do understand me
The same I tried in Arabic (which is to Hebrew something like Dutch is to German) but it doesn’t work: people stare at me 
Must note though that in high school in the Netherlands I’ve studied German for 6 years - so that must be the ’secret’ LOL. A German lady here in Israel had her high-school exams in the Netherlands to where she had to flee during the war - and failed a course because she mixed up the word “verdieping” which she thought was ‘vertiefung”
36 shual // Aug 27, 2007 at 11:25 pm
“Verdieping”. Come on girl, the CONTEXT!! [”I was invited in her apartment”]
“I brabble in ‘make-shift’ German as if it’s German..” Absolutly ok. At my visits in the USA the people think that I am from “Poland” and thats a very fine thing for a german. :-))))
IP: Hm. No. Dynamic DNS has nothing to do with the problem. You have to understand that you can change your IP-adress, but you can not change the next point of the connection [provider]. And in cases of abuse the provider can give the answers. [There are other possibilities, too, it depends on what happens and how quick you detect something.] The only way to stay anonym is to use the WLAN-router of the neighbours. That works, if the neighbours do not protect their systems. [I would like to see the scene in Ramat Gan: Arabs with labtops in a car next to your house trying to hack into your computer. Funny scene.]
“So, what is the problem?” [Wir drehen uns im Kreis. :-)] There is no problem. Wikipadia says: “Stay out.” If somebody vistits my house and does not want to follow MY rules, he will get kick out. Justified? Unjustified? Who cares?
37 Shual // Aug 28, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Btw, Tsedek. I found a new and fascinating website. http://www.pmo.gov.ps/news.php
Isn’t it funny that these messages find their way via Bezeq Int. to my hometown?
38 tsedek // Aug 29, 2007 at 10:46 am
Well, Shual - it wasn’t me with those exams - I don’t know what the context was. I found though that sometimes(!) one single word misunderstood can change a whole context itself
I don’t understand much about this IP business and routers and things like that. I only use IP location sites sometimes when I have to know what area a reaction comes from (sort of check-up) and that’s easy
Well, that’s fine. Let wiki do what it wants. Anyway there are more people not taking that site serious as there are who do….
No, Shual - also in the Palestinian Authority bezeq is the communications company. They use the bezeq net just like in Israel. You see? We DO share things
Du glaubst nicht wir gehen sehr off-topic hier? Ich weiss nicht weder conflict blotter es erlaubt?
39 Shual // Aug 29, 2007 at 12:38 pm
He said: “feel free to post”. Aber wir können ja wikipdia deutsch sprechen wikipedia und immer das Wort wikipedia einbauen damit es on-topic wikipedia aussieht.
Im disapointed about the website-policy in Israel. I am disapointed with far-rightist-website-policy, too. And I am disapointed about this “boycott”. The civilians pay a heavy prize in Gaza, but its ok to make money with Hamas-Websites.
Have you heard of the “Pepsi”-affaire? Well, the local Gaza-franchise of Pepsi had to close the factory cause Israel avoided the import of carbon dioxide. But they allowed Pepsi, Israel to export Pepsi [incl. carbon dioxide] into the Gaza-Strip. Hey, and I would deal with that story, I would find some “friends of the Israeli government” sitting in the board of directors of Pepsi, Israel. … [I can see those headlines rising: “Boykott Pepsi, cause EF-members use it as stimulation at attacks on Israel.]
PS: [Information Minister Ghazi] Aridi said the government formed a committee to draft a report on recent information that Hizbullah had installed its own communication infrastructure in the South of the country. Push the button, Israel. Hamas can send their website via Hezbollah-structure, if they want to send us something.
40 tsedek // Aug 30, 2007 at 8:56 am
Ja, die Wikipedia ist ein freude zu lesen, alles was Wikipedia produziert ist gut. (I’ve done my duty now and mentioned Wiki more than once again
)
I don’t know exactly where you are disappointed about. Don’t forget these areas were -until Oslo- fully under Israel’s control and their development also this country’s responsibility. Thus, universities, hospitals etc. were built and also the areas were connected with ‘mainland’ israel simply because of the reason that if Israel wouldn’t do that, nobody would (they were no indepedent entity then).
So, I truly don’t understand the problem….
If hamas wants to use the hizb’s communications possibilities then it is free to do so… No prob.
41 Shual // Aug 30, 2007 at 8:42 pm
I don’t know what WIKIPEDIA has to say about it, but
Oslo? Connected to Israel? I tried to talk about Gaza and the simple facts. Today, if you are a producer of Israeli agriculture goods you are very surpised that your vegetables will be ruined at Erez crossing because the Israeli Government wants to have a good show for Hamas, but other segments of Israeli economy are allowed to earn great gains.
I asked him and he [http://www.pmo.gov.ps/images/speech-pic.jpg] said: “Hmmmm. I don’t know. I can not see any sense or affects of it, too.”.
42 tsedek // Aug 31, 2007 at 8:51 am
Shual, it is real simple actually. The trade between the PA and Israel is the biggest and the ‘wiring’ was laid before Oslo (and independence) even came into the picture. Thus, the hamas sends his websites to the world via bezek and everybody gets hurt when one of the sides tamper with the existing procedures in that field. And, honestly, if you’re so interested in the Palestinian agriculture situation you should start by asking why they threw a multi-million dollar business through the drain when destroying those hothouses after the withdrawal of Israel out of Gaza.
It seems ‘logic’ in our areas has a different as it does for others.
43 Shual // Aug 31, 2007 at 1:12 pm
I was not referring to the “Palestinian agriculture situation”, dear Tsedek.
And sorry: “and everybody gets hurt when one of the sides tamper with the existing procedures in that field.” This is quite …. One of the latest examples I know is the connection between Alami [Pal] and Barak I.T.C., Rosh Ha’ayin. They create sites like this one: http://www.uawc-pal.org/introduction.html The connection of them was infitrated several times last year [”intrested persons”] and infiltrated with some trojan-horses.
I have to take a closer look, but I guess “Cyberwar” is still going on. I can remember weeks [I have not looked after such stories for a long time] at the start of the Intifada with several hundreds of thousand attacks and counterattacks.
44 tsedek // Aug 31, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Whatever is going on, Shual, it is a result of too many holes in which involvement (and thus gain) is happening - each and everyone ‘looking out for his own interests’ whether or not they are politically or economically determined, national or individual.
See? You got a complex situation here - in which each and everyone’s actions can be kidnapped to serve any propaganda goals one desires to pursuit. The intention became unimportant.
45 Shual // Sep 1, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Weise Worte [über WIKIPEDIA!], Tsedek.
Story: Danny Rubinstein [Haaretz] was invited from the ZF, Great Britain to hold a speech “Can Israel make peace with the palestinians.” on Monday. Now, after Rubinstein said the bad word “apartheid” at a conference in Brussels yesterday, the ZF kicked Rubinstein out.
Thats what readers of JPost can read today. But ZF kicked out Rubinstein already early August, because of his participation at the conference in Brussels.
Everybody is pleased now. Rubinstein has increased his reputation as “anti-Israel anarchist”. ZF had its show as “defender of Israeli interests”. JPost has a story. And all those “activists” around the globe can yell at each other.
Agent Smith: [schaut aus dem Fenster] “Haben Sie sie jemals genau betrachtet, bestaunt wie makellos und schön sie ist? Milliarden Menschen leben einfach vor sich hin, und haben keine Ahnung.”
46 tsedek // Sep 1, 2007 at 1:09 pm
es gibt was es gibt mein Freund: was es weiter gebt wird nicht gewissen
47 Shual // Sep 1, 2007 at 10:59 pm
I can’t find a Wikipadia-entry about theat, Tsedek.
Btw… http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,503349,00.html
I don’t know if there will be a english-version of it [I am a Zionist and I will speak out now!” :-))). I can translate it next week. But key things: “already some kind of APARTHEID”, or “Talk to Hamas, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, the earlier the better” …
The poor germans! They wanted to have a peaceful soccer-Saturday with their families, beer drinking and Sauerkraut eating and now … THIS!
48 tsedek // Sep 3, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Wikipedia is under zionist control
Sauerkraut with pepper grains? (That’s how I used to eat it at home at my parents) (Man, I feel like it… eventhough it’s supposed to be a ‘wintermeal’ and it’s 31 degr.c here)
Hmmm… Yeah….was kann ich dazu sagen? Er hasst seine Mehnung und ich die meine (this is shitty ‘german’ I know *blush* )
49 Shual // Sep 3, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Dear Tsedek,
[Er hasst seine Mehnung und ich die meine] He hates? You hate?
—- Don’t forget to call me up if you visit germany.I am eager to hear you live. 
Sauerkraut? Well what Wikipedia not says is that we here in Southern Germany eat Sauerkraut only at Sauerkraut-Time. A few weeks we have to wait and then all those barbarians that live here in the wood over the summer crwal grunting into their winter camps. Then there is a great Sauerkraut-Convention and the barbarians flood the Sauerkraut-Fields and the devour any Sauerkraut-head they can get. That takes some days and is called the October-Fest. The thing you see in Munich, called the October-Fest is only for tourists. They engage actors from Norway and other countries that play germans having a great time.
Sauerkraut with WHAT? Hm… In my region there are almost only non-kosher-versions to eat Sauerkraut, cause you combine it with the slaugther-season. I like things like Sauerkraut-casserole with liverwurst and potatoes. I use pepper-grains, too but the real taste comes from the Juniper Berries. Everything you do with Saukraut here must be done with them. Thats our law.
A famous version of it in my region is a “Apfel-Sauerkrauttopf” - a Israeli girl already tatsed it and she is not only still alive, she liked it. [even it was not THAT kosher, I must admit]
4 persons: Roast 3 or 4 bacon-strips and 3 onions. Onions still transparent in a big jar. Then add 800gr fresh Sauerkraut + 2 bay leaves + a tea-spoon of Juniper Berries + Salt/Pepper + 0,15l white wine. Close the pot: 20 minutes cooking-time. Next pot: 1 Kilo of potatos, cut them in stripes, cook them 5 minutes. Then take 3 quite sourish apples, cut them in stripes. Leave them raw. Then take the whole shit and lay it in layers into a greased [?] oiled [?] casserole. Bake it at 200° for 20 - 25 minutes in the oven. Last step: Take some chive as decoration.
Now try it. If you can cook this, the next step is “Pheasant on Champagner-Sauerkraut”
50 Shual // Sep 4, 2007 at 5:03 am
Btw… “Wikipedia is under zionist control”. Soccer, too!
On Saturday they are broadcasting at german-TV-channel ZDF the match England vs Israel. LIVE. Fulltime. At 6pm!
I think about 3 Million+ will watch the match. I’m sure more as in Israel itself. And there is no doubt: They will be almost all for Israel.
51 tsedek // Sep 4, 2007 at 10:07 am
You’re KIDDING??? *_* really?? Wow, I’m so surprised (hence my capital letters and overdone use of questionmarks, LOL)
Why are they for Israel? England is in the EU…. This is grand, hahahaa..
Thanks for the recipe. I’ve never eaten sauerkraut with juniper berries, and will try it soon as the weather will permit here (like it’s some 20 degrees less than it is now).
When I ate sauerkraut in the Netherlands it wasn’t kosher either you know. I wasn’t jewish yet (didn’t even think I’d become one) - so, no restrictions…. Mom used to make it with ’spekkies’ - and ‘gerookte worst’ (translation?) which usually is made of pigmeat.
52 Shual // Sep 4, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Several reasons to be for Israel. They are the outsiders and they are exotics. The [soccer-]antagonism between England and Germany has a 47-year-old tradition, caused by a much disputed famous goal. The fans like each other, the english behaved very well in Germany 2006 and before the last match two weeks ago the English fans said “Thank you for the hospitality” with a laaaaarge banner. But it will be a very nice pleasure to see the English loose a pont or two [and not qualify for EURO08!] against … we don’t care about against who.
Special stories, like the animosity against David Beckham…… Israel? The regular fan knows about the Israeli team that it has lost to germany 0:7 or something in the last match, or had seen very bad games of the Israelis in the Champions-League against Bayern Munich…. I think 0:1 and 0:4, maybe it was Maccabi Haifa? We like teams that loose 0:7 against us. 
But Israel is much stronger now and reached some acceptance among experts. So if Israel has a good day, it could be a quite good match and thats what the people want to see.
Sauerkraut with SPEKKIES? [brrr…urgl…wrk]. Gerookte Worst is Geräucherte Wurst and the difference to here today is that you use very fresh Worst. Cause “gerookte” or in experts language geselchte [german] Worst is some kind of dry and we use already dry wine for the meals and this is dryness enough.
53 Shual // Sep 4, 2007 at 10:18 pm
[Spekkies] …. unbelivable…
54 tsedek // Sep 5, 2007 at 5:33 am
well at least it’s not as disgracefully used as it is here in Israel - where they stuff sauerkraut in everything they seem ‘fit’
(I’m talking hotdogs and felafel now)
I used to love spekkies so maybe that’s why my mom added it. If I remember well, she also added cream LOL. Maybe only German geraucherde wurst is dry? I namely don’t remember my mom’s Sauerkraut ever to have been ‘dry’
aaaaaaaach so! You’re all ‘for’ Israel because you’re against England
I remember a very important goal as well made by Germany …………….. against Holland, years ago: it took the world cup trophee out of ‘our’ hands LOL. I don’t know why -because I enjoyed the movie ‘the green hooligans’, hahaha- but, I don’t like English football as well. Mostly because I think they’re too arrogant.
55 Shual // Sep 5, 2007 at 12:46 pm
First update: After english-club Chelsea London banned its player and famous german superstar Michael Ballck from participating in the first round of the CL this season ……….. 500 000 more german fans will scream for Israel in the upcoming match vs England.
And we are for Israel, because we LOVE ISRAEL!!! [More as England, yes!!! :-)] And yes, Tsedek. The Netherlands are on top of the list of German enemies [soccer].
Israel/felafel/hot dogs. I dont think that its Sauerkraut they use. Other collards, yes. Or is it reallly Sauerkraut? Well, I don’t care. In my garden, you can find 3 different Kraut-sorts and they will be used for everything [in the kitchen].
“Gerookte” - I don’t know. Ask her what she used. There are forms of Kielbasa a.s.o,, that are not smoked, or partly smoked, or few smoked. Or maybe you misinterpreted the Worst: It was not moisture , it was fat what made it pretend to be not so dry.
To be dry or not to be dry: That is the question.
56 tsedek // Sep 5, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Whahaaa…. yep, that could have been ‘it’. Maybe it was fat. I used to love (and still love) fat *blush*. Always ask for large chunks of it when ordering shoarma LOL.
Yeah, but Holland is way better in soccer than Germany - who’s more lucky (wonder what your response is going to be to that one
)
Yes, Shual - it IS sauerkraut. I just happen to know what sauerkraut is, so know when I taste and see it. But, as you seem to use it as well in ‘everything in the kitchen’ - perhaps Israeli’s are not so far off, when using it with hotdogs etc.
57 Shual // Sep 5, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Wow! THIS is is great! Israel kicked out Serbia today at the Basketball-Euro. This is like winning at Wembley in soccer. The german commentator interrupted his comments at Germany vs Lithuania several times today to give live-reports from the game [Haifa is a top-club blabla… and “oh, the Israelis lead 1 point, five minutes to go… the serbian tree burns now!”] Hm… and so the still is a [small] chance to see a quarterfinal Israel vs Germany. If that happens I promise to blog live from the game here. :-)))
… Sauerkraut in hotdogs… maybe they use it, cause it is cheaper than other things? I will have to make some phone-calls about that, before I can say more.
Holland? Holland plays a very different style and I like that style. They like to play offensive and thats the problem: If they have a bad day they are looking like a bunch of very old grandmas that try to catch flies. …. Hm… Now, I must think… hm… I think their last good days were in the 70ties.
58 Shual // Sep 6, 2007 at 4:53 am
Oh! Luciano Pavarotti has dies. Oh, very sad.
59 tsedek // Sep 6, 2007 at 8:37 am
Yeah, lately many famous people seem to die. Is it something in the air? 72 isn’t that old…
Israel is good in basketball. Been the european winner several times…. That’s a great result, being that Israel cannot really be considered Europe
In football they’re no good though.. Too lazy. I think when they train…
the Netherlands team is ALWAYS good, only they are not very lucky. The German team IS lucky
No, they use sauerkraut because they like it in hotdogs. There are a million plus one other things they could put in there, but they don’t (well, they usually stuff hotdogs with ketchup and mustard and mayo, but those are sauces.. )
I don’t like sauerkraut in hotdogs. But then, I don’t like french fries in my manna felafel as well. Sort of habit not to mix certain foods together…
60 Shual // Sep 7, 2007 at 12:31 am
[We are at the end of the site. We have to switch into “Nazi-Porn”, Tsedek. :-)]
Sauerkraut- I have instructed an catholic agent, who visits Jerusalem next week to investigate in the “Sauerkraut-connection-case”. Maybe the use of the word “Krauts” for germans is a historical failure. Or maybe the local Kraut-Mafia here has its fingers in the game. Maybe the Kraut-Mafia finances subversive actions against Israel with the money thay acquire in Israel! [No. We are global players. We are controlling the Japanese beer-industry already. You can see very much Japanese guys hanging around in local corn-fields. :-)]
Rest later, the “Syria-Situation” has destroyed my schedule for today.
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